Originally Posted By Daannzzz """ I thought it would be like the Cars Quatre Roues Rallye in WDS: "" Here it is in action. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVLT9MrMpZI&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...=related</a> This looks like to of the Ladybug Boogies next to each other so it would be similar to Mater's except that the cars would go around on all of the platforms and the platforms look bigger... and there is the added portion of the wagon behind the car giving it more of a whip action.
Originally Posted By Daannzzz Based on the LA Times article Hans posted you could see that it might be the way I am describing or it could be something different (perhaps a cable drawn through a series of half circular paths)but it is hard to tell from the way it is drawn.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt This video pretty much sums it up: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIYR0FFdVFY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...R0FFdVFY</a>
Originally Posted By Daannzzz In my best Charlie Brown voice.... THAT'S IT!!!!!!! Now I remember seeing that before.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Or is it this...? <a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7685944.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.freepatentsonline.c...5944.pdf</a>
Originally Posted By TP2000 I like Doug's video better. With two separate sets of this ride, with a giant animatronic Mater in the middle calling out the squaredance calls and doing the mandatory interactive shtick all animatronics have to do now, I could see how this could go above 50 Million in WDI dollars. I still can't wrap my head around it costing 100 Million, but it's clearly something beyond the Teacups or that corny thing in France that Hans showed us.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Not a video-- it's the patent papers for the unique ride system. Nobody out here knows if this is, indeed, what they are building. But it does explain a lot about where the money is going.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Have you guys seen the construction site for this thing? It's huge: <a href="http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x356/micechat/Dateline%20Disneyland/2011/07-11-11-1/IMG_0560.jpg" target="_blank">http://i1177.photobucket.com/a...0560.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "I think you misunderstood what I meant. My son and I both have cell phones and mine is a smart phone. But if this goes through with Disney using our cells to track our every move on property I won't be bringing our real phones with our real numbers on property ever again. It really does smack of Big Brother and I don't like that aspect one little bit." Gotcha. I did misunderstand you.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "Have you guys seen the construction site for this thing? It's huge:" Look me in the eyes and ask me that again with a straight face!
Originally Posted By CDF1 Ever since the Fastpass technology came out, the world "entitlement" has continued to show up in terms of the lengths to which that type of technology could be used to separate a priveleged class of guest from the standard rank and file guest in a Disney park. The technology is now in place (Fastpass entrances/queues) to allow the FP technology to be used to grant access via that vehicle to anybody Disney chooses to annoint with a priveleged status - one only has to look at Universal to see how such a system works in the extreme case of providing a "front-of-line" status. However, Universal simply does not have the number of possible hotel guests that the WDW resort does so you don't feel the dichotomy between the haves and have-nots as much. At some point, you would have to think that some Disney accountant is going to check out how much additional revenue could be obtained by offering different classes of "preferred access" and ultimately, with some test runs over time, Disney could come up with a formula for how much they could charge for such priveleges and how many priveleged guests they could support without causing problems with the non-privileged guests. First class status is a normal situation for various transportation companies and for hotels and resorts - it is inconceivable that Disney would not examine such opportunities for their parks (especially now that they have been running a cruise line for a period of time where extra perks for extra costs are the order of the day!) The only real question will be to what extent such priveleges can be extended without creating an impact on normal rank and file guests. A system that allows guests to schedule particular activities in advance is nothing new to resorts - if you want to play golf at Pebble Beach you have to book your hotel room at the resort property and then you get to book a tee time at Pebble Beach something like up to 6 months in advance - tough luck if your appointed tee time is in the midst of a fog bank or rainstorm. It seems like there would little difference in terms of a Disney park guest scheduling something like a character breakfast or recreational event or Fantasmic show. As far as individual attractions, I would think some kind of tie-in to the FP system would provide more flexibility and make more sense than assigned ride times. And if the number of FPs for an atraction was limited to established levels then ride access might not appear to be any different compared to before such a system was implemented. Of course, some repeat visitors or AP holders might notice FPs for certain rides disappearing earlier in the day, but so be it in an environment where profits are again the key determinant.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom ( In responce to post 92 ) I'm going to have to politely disagree with your statements. First of all in your refrence of Universal and their "Express Pass" system. Universal Studios was a little forward thinking in how they designed their parks. For many of the rides they built duplicate ride systems ( simular to Space Mountain at WDW and what is proposed for Dumbo at WDW. or the Matterhorn at DL except with identical ride systems ). So that individuals utilizing "Express Pass" are not only in a totally separate line but are also on a totally different ride system all together. In the "Express Pass" no one is holding anyone up. Now with Disney's Fastpass everyone is fighting to get first in the same line. Which seems kinda awkward with modern technology. This wouldn't be an issue if 1) Disney built rides and attractions that could accomidate the crowds of people they let in the parks, 2) Disney actually ran rides/ attractions at full capacity ( how many times have we gotten to the front of a huge line on BTMRR to find one train track running, or "Soarin" to find one theatre in use ), 3) Disney parks for decades have been the place where it was equitable, as long as you were in line then you were in line and unless you were Walt Disney himself, no one was going to be cutting in front of you inline, 4) According to the Fastpass "rules" castmembers are suppose to allow something like 15 Fastpass quests in then allow something like 15 standby quest in to rides/ attractions and Disney isn't doing this. So Disney created this monster and they are not abiding by their own rules/ guidelines. WDW is run differently than DL, unlike DL where you can be 10th inline for the subs and it will still take an hour because someone ahead in line calls all their party members to the que on a cell phone. At WDW you actually have to STAY inline, no exceptions. And the problem isn't the other people inline. The problem is that your line isn't moving because of the reasons listed above. It's a little difficult to feel like a quest when your every move is being regimented in a Disney Park.
Originally Posted By CDF1 KT: Does Potter have a separate ride system? Does Spiderman have a separate ride system? Does Jurassic Park have a separate ride system? Does Hulk have a separate ride system? When I last went to Universal we had a couple of the express passes and we simply entered the queue ahead of where the other guests entered. And it sure appeared to be the same queue.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Actually, the ratio of FP guests to Standby line is not about 15 to 15. It can be anywhere from 12-20 per 1 family depending on the attraction and the time of the day. The ratio increases when the lines are long and FP is in full gear. A little less in the mornings and evenings when FP's tend to dwindle down. I have worked at a couple of FP attractions and none of them use a 15 this line, 15 that line ratio. The system favors the FP line and in fact when the FP lines are unusually long we are told to stop loading standby and just load FP to get the line down.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Actually, the ratio of FP guests to Standby line is not about 15 to 15. It can be anywhere from 12-20 per 1 family depending on the attraction and the time of the day. The ratio increases when the lines are long and FP is in full gear. A little less in the mornings and evenings when FP's tend to dwindle down. I have worked at a couple of FP attractions and none of them use a 15 this line, 15 that line ratio. The system favors the FP line and in fact when the FP lines are unusually long we are told to stop loading standby and just load FP to get the line down << At the Land boat ride when I worked there and we had FP in the pre-Soarin' days (do they still have FP with the boat ride?), we would load one or two rows with stand-by and the rest of the boat with FP. But there was also a wheelchair line that threw that ratio off a little. Every so often, on especially bad days when the stand-by wait was an hour, some of us would load an entire boat of stand-by guests. But sjhym's point remains -- it's not a 1:1 ratio between FP and stand by.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom CDF1, haven't been to Potter so can't say I know that. And I stand by my words. In todays day and age it's pretty ricidulous to be building rides that can't handle the necessary capacity, running rides at half capacity, and creating "Fastpass" systems that are suppose to allocate a certain number of guests to standby guests and not even abiding by your own plan. I never understood why there were long lines for Star Tours over at DHS when Disney has 4 identical simulators literally walled over at WoL Pavallion in EPCOT. Fast Pass would work if Disney actually demonstarted an intrest in letting it work.
Originally Posted By dshyates Potter's forbidden journey is the fastest loading ride I have ever seen. You should see the grouper try and make groups of 4 fast enough. It is quite magical.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>For many of the rides they [UniFlorida] built duplicate ride system...<< Which attractions? I have never heard of such a thing. As to Post #92, it's an interesting argument, but none of this has actually happened.
Originally Posted By CDF1 DLDug: I believe DLR actually experimented with an "unlimited Fastpass" option for some properties a few years ago - ticketholders with the "unlimited" option on their media could get FPs for a ride regardless of any current outstanding FPs they already held. I've never heard of any of the WDW properties doing such a thing.
