Originally Posted By Bolna <<^ And that's even more reason to want FP to disappear. Because I agree with your caveat, and would say a first timer WOULD have those issues when they enter a standby line that is artificially inflated because of FP.>> But then with FP a first timer also has the chance to avoid standing in a long line. I think this is part of the motivation behind FP. The problem is just that most likely it won't be the first timer who experiences the biggest benefits of FP, because he or she isn't really aware of how to use the system to their advantage - they might even get a FP which don't make sense, like for certain shows. While those who get the biggest profit out of them are those who already know their way around and who need them the least - people like me. So while the advantages don't go to those who need them the most, the disadvantage (the even longer standby line) might even once again be burdened more on the first timer - who as I said does not know when a line is just too long for the attraction. So I think the idea had some good intentions, but unfortunately those don't work out in reality.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 We can be pretty mean on these boards about guests who dont understand FP and their need to educate themselves. Many would be surprised that many people arent into the minutia of their vacations. Even today there are many people who come to WDW and have either no idea what FP is, that it costs money, that dont understand the system rules. It is not as uncommon as you would think.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<We can be pretty mean on these boards about guests who dont understand FP and their need to educate themselves.>> Not sure whether this was in response to my post. While I think that people should do at least some research about any place they intend to visit (whether it be a foreign country or WDW), I don't expect a first timer to be a fastpass expert. That's why I think FP does not work for those who should benefit the most from it.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 It was. Sometimes on this board when you talk about first timers being at a disadvantage people will jump on the fact that they should have done the research and stuff. I am not a fan of FP at all for lots of reasons.
Originally Posted By CDF1 I suppose you could look at it the "other way" regarding Fastpass - Fastpass would allow the infrequent park guest to be relatively sure that they get on the one or two attractions that they simply feel they must go on. If they arrive at say Test Track and see a 90 minute wait and ask a CM, they will probably get directed to Fastpass, get a return FP and then go elsewhere. So if they planned their once in a decade trip to Epcot and absolutely wanted to go on that ride, FP would allow them to do that while saving some time for other attractions. That probably is something that that type of guest would appreciate.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Guests don't value a ride on an attraction as much because they didn't have to give up as much to ride it.<< I find this an odd, odd statement. Perhaps I am reading it wrong. But is this saying that people who don't "suffer" through the long wait in line don't value an attraction as much? No matter how many times I have experienced Pirates of the Caribbean or the Haunted Mansion or Space Mountain, I enjoy it every time. Doesn't matter if I have to wait in a long line, if I am with friends or alone, or what the weather is like. If I'm not looking forward to the attraction, I don't go. Why a longer wait would make me "value" it more is a baffling idea to me.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>We can be pretty mean on these boards about guests who dont understand FP and their need to educate themselves.<< Don't know that I have seen any of the truly mean posts about this, but I understand that they exist. Some people have no sensitivity about other people and their feelings. I have seen some extremely mean posts by those who dislike FastPass. The extreme views in this other direction seem to get a pass, more often than not. Many of the views expressed in this thread reflect that. IF (and it's still an if) the Disney parks go to a tiered system that involves guests paying extra dollars to gain an advantage in wait times, I will be among those registering my unhappiness. Other theme parks do this (I was suckered into one of these at IOA), but I really don't want to see it at Disney.
Originally Posted By CDF1 Personally I don't care if Disney offers some multitude of premium packages that well-healed guests are willing to pay for - the only issue I would have with such a program would be that if it was based on Fastpass and it resulted in 45 minutes minimum waits on Standby on all of the major attractions at Disney parks. But given the fact that I usually only visit Disney parks during the "off peak" times anymore anyway, it doesn't seem like such a program would affect me or other guests like me. It might be a different story during the summer months or holiday seasons though.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub ...ummm something needs to be officially addressed by Disney unless they want WDW to be ONLY for large youth groups traveling with a tour guide flag that travel together. Have you tried to manipulate the crowds most recently?
