Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Hey, I read the blasphemous 'King and King' storybook over the weekend. One of the guys in the play I'm doing brought it in. (yes, he's gay). It amazes me that people feel so threatened by a book. It's a cute children's book. Fun illustrations about a 'faraway land' where a Queen lives -- her son, the Prince hasn't gotten married. So, the Queen 'trots out the ladies' for the Prince, but he falls for the Page (a young man) of one of the prospects. The Prince and the Page fall in love, get married, and live happily ever after. It's a cute book, and no more or less vapid or silly than 'Cinderella' 'The Little Mermaid' 'Sleeping Beauty' or the rest of the fairy tales. Then I received some of that propoganda in the mail from the 'Yes on 8' people. They use the 'King and King' book as 'the example' with these parents claiming that Little Joey was 'taught' this book in school -- 'And he's only in second grade!' LOL! As if children don't know that gay people live in the world.
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Originally Posted By dshyates So.....if Prop 8 passes, kids will never find out gays exist. Got it. Frickin' simpleton.
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Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Sorry thats for everyone, only a man and a woman can make love and then produce a child from that, its how we are all made.>> And it's really a crying shame that ANY man and ANY woman can produce a child. There are lots of straight people out there who should NEVER, EVER be allowed to produce children - and lots of homosexuals out there who would make great parents. Hmm - if only there were a way for a childless couple who can't produce children to be able to get a child from a couple who doesn't want them. Somebody should really invent something like that...
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA >LOL! As if children don't know that gay people live in the world.< <no most children do not know about gay people or what they do, but we know gay people want them to if thats what you mean?> No. Most children DO know about gay people. It's the parents of those children who seem to freak out over it. And the cool thing is, regardless of this ridiculous Prop 8, gay people will continue to exist, live, prosper, and yes, get married and raise children in this world.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<they will find out later like they always have, not spoon fed the gay lifestyle by gays in public school>> Yes, because it would be an absolute disaster if we taught our children tolerance from an early age. What kind of horrible world would that be??!!!
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I'm hoping CA's Supreme Court says the same thing if this hateful bill passes.>>> There's not much they could do. Prop 8 is for a state constitutional amendment. Although they ruled that gay marriage is required under the current state constitution, that would no longer be the case if it's amended per Prop 8 - that's the whole point of it. Regarding "tyranny of the majority" that's an excellent point. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the initiative process in California, it only takes a simple majority of cast ballots in any election to amend the state constitution. So at least in California, there's really no protection at all from the tyranny of the majority.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <they will find out later like they always have, not spoon fed the gay lifestyle by gays in public school> 'Spoon fed' -- love that. Because gay people want others to be gay, right? LOL!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <There's not much they could do. Prop 8 is for a state constitutional amendment. Although they ruled that gay marriage is required under the current state constitution, that would no longer be the case if it's amended per Prop 8 - that's the whole point of it.> I know some people say that... But by that token, could there be a proposition on the CA ballot that established Methodism, say, as the official state religion? And if it got a majority vote, would that then be part of the state constitution? How could that stand? Or if they voted to outlaw Mormonism, or rescind the right not to testify against yourself... you see what I'm getting at. If something is blatantly unconstitutional can it still be voted into the constitution, and the state Supreme Court has no say? SPP?
Originally Posted By gadzuux Hey - it's better than what they usually say - "they want to cram it down our throats" - sounds so, well ... gay. Here's an idea - click on the link. It costs the Yes on 8 campaign money, and helps doobie too. I received a glossy mailer from the 'Yes on 8' group this weekend with a big picture of Obama saying that he opposes gay marriage. What they don't mention is that he also opposes Prop 8. Do they care? Not one whit. They hope to confuse the dumber people out there by portraying Obama as endorsing their hateful proposition when in fact he opposes it. These are the people who think their morality is better than mine.
Originally Posted By dshyates "There's not much they could do. Prop 8 is for a state constitutional amendment. Although they ruled that gay marriage is required under the current state constitution, that would no longer be the case if it's amended per Prop 8 - that's the whole point of it." At that point, wouldn't it go to the US Supreme Court, if the opponents wanted?
Originally Posted By SuperDry ^^^ The examples you cite would be in conflict with the United States Constitution, which as of the 14th Amendment all state constitutions must be in compliance with. A state constitution by definition cannot be unconstitutional with respect to itself (as amended), but could still be ruled unconstitutional per the US constitution. But since there has been no ruling that the US Constitution protects gay marriage, a state changing it's constitution to outlaw it is okay. Otherwise, gay marriage would already be legal in all 50 states.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I get that, but I thought because CA's SC had already ruled that the state constitution must allow for it, that this changes the situation. I know if Prop 8 passes, it will be challenged, so there has to be some basis there, no?
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Originally Posted By barboy ///could there be a proposition on the CA ballot that established Methodism, say, as the official state religion? And if it got a majority vote, would that then be part of the state constitution?/// A state legis., governor, court can do anything, absolutely anything it wants to do including promoting or illegalizing Mormonism. But any action may be subject to review at the US level. A US court could dismantle state policy if it finds that such policy is not square with the US Const..
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Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<love when gay people try to play God, very interesting to watch.>> Play God? No, I leave that up to the "true believers" of the religious right.
